Comments on: Elusive Alumni http://crapcampus.com/baboblog/2006/10/01/elusive-alumni/ Disspelling the myths surrounding Babson College. Sat, 30 Jan 2010 04:32:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Reverend Esby http://crapcampus.com/baboblog/2006/10/01/elusive-alumni/#comment-110 Reverend Esby Wed, 04 Oct 2006 03:34:19 +0000 http://crapcampus.com/baboblog/2006/10/01/elusive-alumni/#comment-110 Beautiful comments above. No Prob Bro. This is what we're here for Beautiful comments above. No Prob Bro. This is what we’re here for

]]> By: LaxMan88 http://crapcampus.com/baboblog/2006/10/01/elusive-alumni/#comment-109 LaxMan88 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:48:23 +0000 http://crapcampus.com/baboblog/2006/10/01/elusive-alumni/#comment-109 I was thinking of applying to Babson, not anymore thanks for the warning. I was thinking of applying to Babson, not anymore thanks for the warning.

]]> By: Pull Back the Curtain http://crapcampus.com/baboblog/2006/10/01/elusive-alumni/#comment-108 Pull Back the Curtain Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:33:11 +0000 http://crapcampus.com/baboblog/2006/10/01/elusive-alumni/#comment-108 This is a start. I went to Babson and found the school so horrific that I transferred. I thought Babson was going to prepare me to be a business man, ha, the liberal arts classes in my middle school years were 100x more engaging. The business program is suppose to be top-notch, I literally learned nothing in FME, im not kidding. They give you a financial accounting book in the beginning of the year, which you could buy at Barnes and Noble for $20 and save yourself about $3,000 for the course. IME is just as bad except it may be even more of a pain in the ass, same $20 at B&N. There is no teaching at all. Classes are not only boring but useless and uninformative. That is just the academic side. If you are a male and heterosexual you might as well throw on some tight leather pants, flick yout wrist and listen exclusively to Barbara Streishand. The social scene is pathetic. The frats (all 6 of them) are extremely sad, the only legit frat on campus SigEp, is a 7 at best. I have visited friends all along the east coast (I mean I needed a comparison for my transfer) and it further enforced the fact that the social scene at Babson is a joke. Yeah man sweet lets get hammered, oh wait there are no, NO Good looking girls here, ah screw it lets go up to Pietz drunk man. To begin with Babson is 60/40 Males to Females, and of those 40% approximately 5% of them are at all attractive. Put it this way you can count on your hands the hot girls in your grade. No clubs or activities, outside of sports, and believe me I lettered in Soccer, Hockey and Lacrosse at a prestigious athletic power, and the sports commitment isnt worth it, I played for a while, and found it to be a waste of my time. Oh and when Babson students make facebook groups called "Haven't heard of Babson, it's okay you wouldnt have gotten in anyways" that doesnt bode well for prospective students. When I say I go to Babson, correction when I said I went to Babson, there was at least a 50% chance the person I was speaking to would say, "Babson wheres that? or Babson never heard of it" yeah neither have the big banks, brokerages or other prospective employers. My father is an investment banker for one of the top 3 banks in the U.S., I mean if your goin to Babson you should know which three I am speaking of (Citigroup, Bank of America and JP Morgan for you home gamers), Citigroup by the way he tells me that no one knows of Babson and it doesn't have the best reputation. He hadn't even heard of Babson until I applied. This from a Columbia MBA, having 30+ years in banking. My uncle a Harvard MBA who spent his career in Investment Banking at Goldman Sachs hadn't heard of it either. If you are still reading this far, you one, are a Babson student who has the same level of disgust for the school as I, two a prospective student, who should by now have enough info about Babo to not apply and tell your friends to avoid like the plague or three maybe you are just bored sitting in your room on a Saturday night at Babson and have nothing better to do than read this. I am telling you Babson isnt worth it, look into other business programs, and if you HAVE to be in Boston look at BC, Carroll School of Management is excellent, BU is strong as well. Oh and if you reallly did well in school, there is also a school in Cambridge worth looking into. Chances are you don't get into Wharton, sorry thats a reality, but dont settle for Babson, have a strong college list, you can always attend a liberal arts school and major in Economics, thats an option too. My first year at Babson was terrible, the second wasn't much better. 42K out of Dad's pocket, which bought me a financial accounting book, a hatred for Trim food and credits that arent worth the paper they are printed on, doesn't seem like the college experience I had hoped for. Final advice, oh and I plan on taking this disdain for Babson further, since so many people don't like the admin. maybe we can get in touch with The Boston Globe, Princeton Review and maybe U.S. News and World Report who have bought Babson's lies, I currently attend a school higher on the UG busines program list, and Babson is a ways, ways behind my current schools level of intellectual and academic merit. DO NOT GO TO BABSON, TAKE A POST GRAD IF YOU HAVE TO, TRUST ME, this should not be taken lightly. Fellow comrades feel free to comment, or Babson sympathizers feel free to show some school spirit, you would be the first to do so. This is a start. I went to Babson and found the school so horrific that I transferred. I thought Babson was going to prepare me to be a business man, ha, the liberal arts classes in my middle school years were 100x more engaging. The business program is suppose to be top-notch, I literally learned nothing in FME, im not kidding. They give you a financial accounting book in the beginning of the year, which you could buy at Barnes and Noble for $20 and save yourself about $3,000 for the course. IME is just as bad except it may be even more of a pain in the ass, same $20 at B&N. There is no teaching at all. Classes are not only boring but useless and uninformative. That is just the academic side. If you are a male and heterosexual you might as well throw on some tight leather pants, flick yout wrist and listen exclusively to Barbara Streishand. The social scene is pathetic. The frats (all 6 of them) are extremely sad, the only legit frat on campus SigEp, is a 7 at best. I have visited friends all along the east coast (I mean I needed a comparison for my transfer) and it further enforced the fact that the social scene at Babson is a joke. Yeah man sweet lets get hammered, oh wait there are no, NO Good looking girls here, ah screw it lets go up to Pietz drunk man. To begin with Babson is 60/40 Males to Females, and of those 40% approximately 5% of them are at all attractive. Put it this way you can count on your hands the hot girls in your grade. No clubs or activities, outside of sports, and believe me I lettered in Soccer, Hockey and Lacrosse at a prestigious athletic power, and the sports commitment isnt worth it, I played for a while, and found it to be a waste of my time. Oh and when Babson students make facebook groups called “Haven’t heard of Babson, it’s okay you wouldnt have gotten in anyways” that doesnt bode well for prospective students. When I say I go to Babson, correction when I said I went to Babson, there was at least a 50% chance the person I was speaking to would say, “Babson wheres that? or Babson never heard of it” yeah neither have the big banks, brokerages or other prospective employers. My father is an investment banker for one of the top 3 banks in the U.S., I mean if your goin to Babson you should know which three I am speaking of (Citigroup, Bank of America and JP Morgan for you home gamers), Citigroup by the way he tells me that no one knows of Babson and it doesn’t have the best reputation. He hadn’t even heard of Babson until I applied. This from a Columbia MBA, having 30+ years in banking. My uncle a Harvard MBA who spent his career in Investment Banking at Goldman Sachs hadn’t heard of it either. If you are still reading this far, you one, are a Babson student who has the same level of disgust for the school as I, two a prospective student, who should by now have enough info about Babo to not apply and tell your friends to avoid like the plague or three maybe you are just bored sitting in your room on a Saturday night at Babson and have nothing better to do than read this. I am telling you Babson isnt worth it, look into other business programs, and if you HAVE to be in Boston look at BC, Carroll School of Management is excellent, BU is strong as well. Oh and if you reallly did well in school, there is also a school in Cambridge worth looking into. Chances are you don’t get into Wharton, sorry thats a reality, but dont settle for Babson, have a strong college list, you can always attend a liberal arts school and major in Economics, thats an option too. My first year at Babson was terrible, the second wasn’t much better. 42K out of Dad’s pocket, which bought me a financial accounting book, a hatred for Trim food and credits that arent worth the paper they are printed on, doesn’t seem like the college experience I had hoped for. Final advice, oh and I plan on taking this disdain for Babson further, since so many people don’t like the admin. maybe we can get in touch with The Boston Globe, Princeton Review and maybe U.S. News and World Report who have bought Babson’s lies, I currently attend a school higher on the UG busines program list, and Babson is a ways, ways behind my current schools level of intellectual and academic merit. DO NOT GO TO BABSON, TAKE A POST GRAD IF YOU HAVE TO, TRUST ME, this should not be taken lightly. Fellow comrades feel free to comment, or Babson sympathizers feel free to show some school spirit, you would be the first to do so.

]]> By: Crapmaster http://crapcampus.com/baboblog/2006/10/01/elusive-alumni/#comment-107 Crapmaster Mon, 02 Oct 2006 23:42:03 +0000 http://crapcampus.com/baboblog/2006/10/01/elusive-alumni/#comment-107 Agreed, the latest posts are very well put together and informative. It's like a proud partenting moment for me to see this site what it is today! On the subject of ITSD, yes, they are well aware of the site. At the end of the summer, the head of ITSD compiled a list of anti-Babson websites, and crapcampus.com was at the top of the list. I have been waiting for them to block this site just as many high schools block myspace. You may remember last year how the RSS feed worked for a few days, but it mysteriously quit. But I am happy to report that our CrapCampus RSS feed can be read through the Babson Portal once again. Agreed, the latest posts are very well put together and informative. It’s like a proud partenting moment for me to see this site what it is today!

On the subject of ITSD, yes, they are well aware of the site. At the end of the summer, the head of ITSD compiled a list of anti-Babson websites, and crapcampus.com was at the top of the list. I have been waiting for them to block this site just as many high schools block myspace.

You may remember last year how the RSS feed worked for a few days, but it mysteriously quit. But I am happy to report that our CrapCampus RSS feed can be read through the Babson Portal once again.

]]> By: sero http://crapcampus.com/baboblog/2006/10/01/elusive-alumni/#comment-106 sero Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:45:35 +0000 http://crapcampus.com/baboblog/2006/10/01/elusive-alumni/#comment-106 Well said on all accounts. I don’t have any criticisms, only comments. The phone-a-thon is pathetic. They call alumni and beg them for money because they need it to function. I can’t believe that a school who prides themselves on raising and molding some of the most successful business people in the country for finance, accounting, entrepreneurship and marketing, can’t handle their own books. They scratch their heads as to why they don’t get donations, especially when our graduating body makes on average 80k a year 5 years after graduation (heard from an alumnus). If the college didn’t put some money into improving the campus during the spring, summer and early fall (prime time for touring potential students), they wouldn’t be able to acquire the necessary students needed to not only meet their quotas financially, but intellectually as well. There are tons of students who apply here, but if Babson lowers it’s standards just to hit quotas (which I have no idea if they are or not) then over time the graduating body will be able to maintain less and less its already amazing reputation. This being the case, they care more about who they can sucker into coming here, and not give a crap about the students who are already here. Granted, I’m a marketing guy, and its soon going to be my job to sell shit to people that they don’t really need, but I’m in charge of the selling, not the service; wherein lies the ethical side of this issue. Technically, we buy the product of this school over a four year period, and we should always be getting appropriate service from wherever were buying our product from, in this case, Babson. The faculty claims that the students have to “meet them halfway”, and they do pass the blame to us. This however is beginning to change, but at the speed of about the growth rate of a human fingernail. Nothing will be different during my tenure here, possibly in the next five years, but I can’t be sure. OCL says they build community, but what type of community building activities have occurred on campus? What, they have a comedian come once a semester? A few knight parties? Pub Thursdays? Here’s a fun fact: Did you know that the school has a full liquor license, yes that’s right a FULL liquor license, but SodexHo, which apparently runs the pub (odd) prohibits the pub from selling anything other than wine, beer, and malt beverages (mike’s hard, etc…). The CEE (Center for Executive Education) has a bar of its own, fully stocked with everything you could ask for at a bar. However, the tenants (Graduates as well middle-aged, upper class businessmen) are rather rude and treat it more like an exclusive club than a public bar. On the subject of SGA, this thing should be destroyed. They accomplish so little, other than funding organizations (which is cool, but doesn’t entirely serve the student body). In my opinion, the majority of people on SGA are merely using it as a resume builder, which is completely the WRONG reason why people should be on that board. I would pay money to hear what OCL has to say about this site. My guess is that it’s exactly what we think it is: an attempt to censor us, a way to thwart traffic to this site. Hell, I’ll be they’ve even talked to ITSD to figure out a way to shut this thing down or maybe tracked who’s posted or visited. These actions are the reason why change will not happen any time soon. OCL should look at this site in a positive way. Shit, we’re doing research FOR THEM! Read what we have to say, and say “oh crap, maybe we should change that…” Just consider it, I dare you. Use your intelligence (which I know you have) and sit down, with students preferably, have it open to the public, and try and figure out what can YOU (OCL) can do to improve your customers experience. Incredible point that Craptain Hook made about the students and alumni being the financial life blood of this school. I think its appalling that the abuse of its students has continued for as long as it has. And I also agree with the “lots of little things add up to a mountain” theory. But, all those little things are poor decisions that were made by someone who works for this college. Everything about Babson is a pile of shit, covered in many, many coats of pretty, shiny paint that, in turn, gets repainted many times a year. The statement “it’s as good as you make it” is not true for every situation, it matters on your surroundings. I know this is a little extreme, but try saying that to a POW in a camp in Vietnam. “Hey, just so you know, we might torture you at any moment, without warning or reason, but just remember ‘its only as good as you make it’”. On the subject of the “great diversity” here at Babson: America is hated by almost every other country in the world, including all the people in those countries. Our student body is 20-some percent international. Yes we start organizations, but organizations alone won’t do anything. When all the smoke clears, you’re still left with the rubble of the student body. Our admins should be working for us, not against us. Consider our ideas, heaven forbid the students get heard as well as understood. Well said on all accounts. I don’t have any criticisms, only comments. The phone-a-thon is pathetic. They call alumni and beg them for money because they need it to function. I can’t believe that a school who prides themselves on raising and molding some of the most successful business people in the country for finance, accounting, entrepreneurship and marketing, can’t handle their own books. They scratch their heads as to why they don’t get donations, especially when our graduating body makes on average 80k a year 5 years after graduation (heard from an alumnus).
If the college didn’t put some money into improving the campus during the spring, summer and early fall (prime time for touring potential students), they wouldn’t be able to acquire the necessary students needed to not only meet their quotas financially, but intellectually as well. There are tons of students who apply here, but if Babson lowers it’s standards just to hit quotas (which I have no idea if they are or not) then over time the graduating body will be able to maintain less and less its already amazing reputation.
This being the case, they care more about who they can sucker into coming here, and not give a crap about the students who are already here. Granted, I’m a marketing guy, and its soon going to be my job to sell shit to people that they don’t really need, but I’m in charge of the selling, not the service; wherein lies the ethical side of this issue. Technically, we buy the product of this school over a four year period, and we should always be getting appropriate service from wherever were buying our product from, in this case, Babson.
The faculty claims that the students have to “meet them halfway”, and they do pass the blame to us. This however is beginning to change, but at the speed of about the growth rate of a human fingernail. Nothing will be different during my tenure here, possibly in the next five years, but I can’t be sure. OCL says they build community, but what type of community building activities have occurred on campus? What, they have a comedian come once a semester? A few knight parties? Pub Thursdays? Here’s a fun fact: Did you know that the school has a full liquor license, yes that’s right a FULL liquor license, but SodexHo, which apparently runs the pub (odd) prohibits the pub from selling anything other than wine, beer, and malt beverages (mike’s hard, etc…). The CEE (Center for Executive Education) has a bar of its own, fully stocked with everything you could ask for at a bar. However, the tenants (Graduates as well middle-aged, upper class businessmen) are rather rude and treat it more like an exclusive club than a public bar.
On the subject of SGA, this thing should be destroyed. They accomplish so little, other than funding organizations (which is cool, but doesn’t entirely serve the student body). In my opinion, the majority of people on SGA are merely using it as a resume builder, which is completely the WRONG reason why people should be on that board.
I would pay money to hear what OCL has to say about this site. My guess is that it’s exactly what we think it is: an attempt to censor us, a way to thwart traffic to this site. Hell, I’ll be they’ve even talked to ITSD to figure out a way to shut this thing down or maybe tracked who’s posted or visited. These actions are the reason why change will not happen any time soon. OCL should look at this site in a positive way. Shit, we’re doing research FOR THEM! Read what we have to say, and say “oh crap, maybe we should change that…” Just consider it, I dare you. Use your intelligence (which I know you have) and sit down, with students preferably, have it open to the public, and try and figure out what can YOU (OCL) can do to improve your customers experience. Incredible point that Craptain Hook made about the students and alumni being the financial life blood of this school. I think its appalling that the abuse of its students has continued for as long as it has. And I also agree with the “lots of little things add up to a mountain” theory. But, all those little things are poor decisions that were made by someone who works for this college. Everything about Babson is a pile of shit, covered in many, many coats of pretty, shiny paint that, in turn, gets repainted many times a year.
The statement “it’s as good as you make it” is not true for every situation, it matters on your surroundings. I know this is a little extreme, but try saying that to a POW in a camp in Vietnam. “Hey, just so you know, we might torture you at any moment, without warning or reason, but just remember ‘its only as good as you make it’”.
On the subject of the “great diversity” here at Babson: America is hated by almost every other country in the world, including all the people in those countries. Our student body is 20-some percent international. Yes we start organizations, but organizations alone won’t do anything. When all the smoke clears, you’re still left with the rubble of the student body. Our admins should be working for us, not against us. Consider our ideas, heaven forbid the students get heard as well as understood.

]]> By: fire barefoot http://crapcampus.com/baboblog/2006/10/01/elusive-alumni/#comment-105 fire barefoot Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:30:58 +0000 http://crapcampus.com/baboblog/2006/10/01/elusive-alumni/#comment-105 just want to say that these last few entries have been excellent. thanks for taking the time to articulate your thoughts. you made a great point that it's our duty to critque babson, otherwise - nothing will ever change. i graduated from a private high school and i have donated every year since graduation - i'm not saying it's a lot of money, but for a poor college kid - it's substantial. when i think about donating to babson, i just laugh. i don't think there is anything they can do that can get me to donate now or ever - even though they have managed to give a half decent education. so thanks again, craptain hook, for the commentary - keep it up. just want to say that these last few entries have been excellent. thanks for taking the time to articulate your thoughts. you made a great point that it’s our duty to critque babson, otherwise – nothing will ever change.

i graduated from a private high school and i have donated every year since graduation – i’m not saying it’s a lot of money, but for a poor college kid – it’s substantial. when i think about donating to babson, i just laugh. i don’t think there is anything they can do that can get me to donate now or ever – even though they have managed to give a half decent education. so thanks again, craptain hook, for the commentary – keep it up.

]]> By: sero http://crapcampus.com/baboblog/2006/10/01/elusive-alumni/#comment-104 sero Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:55:26 +0000 http://crapcampus.com/baboblog/2006/10/01/elusive-alumni/#comment-104 one of the most articulate and well thought out posts on the site to date. i gotta re-read it in a little bit just to be able to make a worthy comment. one of the most articulate and well thought out posts on the site to date. i gotta re-read it in a little bit just to be able to make a worthy comment.

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