Babson Diversity and Social Life

my biggest concern about babson is the lack of any real diversity on campus. and no, i’m not talking about racial diversity. i know i’ll be debated by this but i think this school is seriously lacking in economic diversity. if you think it doesn’t matter – look at the difference between a rich white kid and a poor white kid, or a rich black kid and a poor black kid. i propose that the rich white kid and the rich black kid have more in common then they do with their less fortunate counterparts.

take a walk through our parking lots – count the benz, bmws and audis. (full disclosure: i drive a camry – with a hole in the bumper.) i’m not trying to hate on anyone with a good car – believe me, i’m jealous and wouldn’t turn down a ride. i’m just concerned about the future of babson if it is made up of (mostly) well off students. if babson truly wants to become a world class business school then it desperately needs to start attracting more students from the middle and low income classes.

why do i feel that this is important?

if this school is largely made up of students from high income families, then most ideas coming out of babson will be directed towards … high income consumers. now that’s all well and good, but there are millions of business ideas out there that don’t cater to the affluent.

i’m not trying to hate on anybody that has their eyes set on the luxury goods market (props to anyone that tries to start something, regardless of what you sell.) but really – is the best babson can do? i want babson to foster more innovative businesses who are focused on consumers outside of this wellesley bubble that we live in. i want to see more nonprofits, more socially conscious businesses. i want to see fme companies using their community service requirements by pairing with hatchery businesses. there are people at babson that are doing just this – putting their high priced education to help less fortunate people, but (maybe its just me) these people seem to be few and far between.

i’m not saying that low and middle class kids will always come up with altruistic business plans – they can be just as selfish as rich kids can be. and i’m not saying that rich kids can’t come up with an altruistic business plans either. i’m just saying that if we don’t have those low and middle class kids in our fme classes and what not, we’ll never hear their voice. if we never hear their voice then we’ll never get the best education possible. you did pay a first rate tuition for a first rate education, right?

i have no idea how possible this is with college located in wellesley, mass. i know that babson’s current financial status is … how to put it nicely? … distressed? (exhibit a: how many alums support our school? i come from a private high school where 50% of alums give money every year.) it might take 10, 20, 50 years to correct these diversity issues that i think hinder babson (and if you disagree – lets get a conversation going then.) that’s okay. but for the love of god, i hope someone in this institution is doing something to help get it started: increasing our need blind admission rates, offering tuition reductions for low income families – whatever it takes.

anyway, that’s my major problem with babson. now for something that can actually change babson while i’m still here. maybe.

it’s pretty much universally agreed on that babson’s social scene is lackluster at best. the best thing you can do here is leave. boston is a great city, but it’s expensive to park, to pay for taxis, and hell – the t stops way too early for a proper night out. babson really should get a much better bus system going. look at wellesley, they bus students to harvard and mit routinely. though it’s true that they have a billion in the bank, i can’t imagine that it would cost that much to rent a school bus one or two nights a week and have it drive around boston on a predetermined route. hell, i’d even pay for a ride if i knew that it’d pick me up when the bars close.

yes, this can be considered a drain on the social life on our campus if we just bus everyone off campus – but having more options is almost guaranteed to produce happier students. and barefoot (are you even listening?) – happier students will donate more.

just to close, i strongly support crapcampus as a forum for babson students to express themselves publicly about babson’s flaws (and benefits, as well.)

anyway, thanks for reading this long winded diatribe, my sincere apologies if i offended anyone,

fire barefoot

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12 Comments so far

  1. A Community Member on January 26th, 2007

    Hi,

    I’m very interested in the postings and comments on this site as I think some of the ideas are quite interesting and in other cases, I feel some students simply need to take responsibility for their actions.

    In general though, I often feel the people posting here do not take the proper steps in trying to change what items concern them. As I have read numerous times on this site, “we’re a business college”, but remember the word ‘college’ in that phrase. That means we’re not only a secondary educational institution that supplies faculty, exams and text books, but also a place to learn and personally develop beyond the classroom experience. The ability to think critically and independently, converse effectively, understand others’ perspectives and further become a responsible member of society are only a few of those ‘beyond the classroom’ experiences that are invaluable for any type of success later in life. Not just financial success, but more importantly personal success; however you each individually define that concept.

    As such, students should not always view themselves as simple ‘customers’, but rather young men & women who have chosen to attend this college to not only learn the theoretical and practical philosophies and operations surrounding business, but also individually take action to personally enrich their lives beyond the classroom; in whatever form that may manifest itself.

    I’m quite familiar with the phrases, “there’s nothing to do here”, “I’m bored”, “why doesn’t Babson ever get this or that”, “that could never happen here” and “what social life?” That said, the college has a multitude of options for exploring such topics and ideas, but first and foremost on every student’s mind in achieving such goals should be the SGA; Student Government Association. The name itself implies exactly what you all seem to be searching for; a voice for students to discuss ideas and enhance the campus atmosphere. Through such an organization (which all students fund), the students have a great voice (as all students should) concerning such topics as I have read here in the past. I strongly encourage all students to fully realize the value the campus provides and also fully utilize all the resources available. Perhaps never again in your lives will one person have the opportunity to make systemic change as you do now; imagine the possibility of positive change when more than one person gets involved; now multiply that by more than 1,500. And of course, if you’re not sure where to start such discussions, ask anyone and ask often. In business as in life, you will find it difficult to survive if you don’t learn to ask questions, remember to be mindful of assumptions and understand the value and importance of effective communication.

    It’s common knowledge that the college has a lower than desired endowment, but wouldn’t you rather be known as the site and students that began to change that paradigm rather than the site that simply pontificated throughout the year?

    As a member of the Babson community, I strongly believe in both the education received inside in the classroom and the experience developed outside the classroom. I look forward to reading more comments and sincerely hope you all take the time to not only bring such concerns forward, but actively and productively discuss such issues using all the available outlets on campus (students, staff & faculty) in reaching your goals.

    On-line communication is a useful tool for promoting thoughts and marketing events, but absolutely nothing else produces results as effective as simply sitting down and talking about such concerns face to face. I truly hope you take advantage of all the Babson community has to offer and physically voice such concerns, become involved and leave your legacy on this campus for future students to enjoy and continue to improve upon throughout the tenure of the College.

    Sincerely,

    A member of college community

  2. Crapmaster on January 26th, 2007

    I’d like to be the first to say thanks for joining us and writing such a thoughtful and useful comment.

    You make some good points and some of those are already being incorporated into our strategy. But one thing to keep in mind is that this site was founded based on “crappy” experiences with OCL and part of our mission is to expose the truth of what goes on so that prospective students don’t get brainwashed.

  3. roger babson on January 27th, 2007

    I have to say the author is right about the diversity issue- but it goes further than just students: it impacts staff and faculty as well. Ask any honest staff member and they will tell you Babson is very class conscious. Lower employees dare not talk to (nor raise their gaze to meet the eyes) of the higher level staff. Most “important” staff and faculty will not lower themselves to talk to a lesser employee- they have a secretary do it (al la Devil wears Prada). Which is why staff morale is at an all time low (according to people that have been here for over 15 years).

    What you may not know is that colleges hold spaces for what are called “full pay” students. These are the rich few that can pay the full tuition with no loans, grants, scholarships, etc. In theory they help fund the poorer kids. But it does make one question how many better and smarter students don’t get in because a dumber full pay individual got in on his $$$.

    Babson goes all nuts over racial and sexual diversity issues, but in fine corporate capitalist structure, they maintain a wall of privilege around the chosen godlike few that run this place.

  4. Craptain Hook on January 28th, 2007

    I appreciate the well-formed comments, as well, although I would like to clarify a couple things the original author brought up.

    First, many of us would love to go out of our way to make Babson better. Truth be told, Babson does not have any kind of proper channels set up to do such a thing, which is generally how this site came to be–if everyone had excellent ways to give feedback and improve the life here, they would certainly do it. Most of the admins are so business-minded that they forget entirely where their biggest revenue stream comes from: the students (both current and alumni).

    I know you mentioned we see ourselves as customers, but we’re not the ones who implemented that mentality. There is complete separation between admins and the students. Like I already mentioned, there is not much of a great feedback stream, and a lot of students have never met most of the “important” admins in the first place, not to mention ever seen or heard of our strategic plan. Plus, the way students get treated here is as if we’re outsiders that are a necessary evil for the school. It’s sad, but it’s true. I think if it were up to the admins, they would not even have undergrad students here. We’re just they’re money bags that come onto campus.

    So of course we’re going to see ourselves as customers. We come in thinking we’re going to be part of a great college experience and we come out feeling as though we paid our $170k for a degree (albeit a good one) and move on with our lives the same way as if we went to an Apple store and picked up an iPod. It’s not as though students come in thinking they’re customers, we’re bred that way. So the change needs to be in the culture that the admins cultivate here on campus.

    Lastly, you mentioned SGA. Sadly, SGA is the ONLY student opinion the admins listen to. And the people that run are either unopposed or most people have no idea who they are anyway, so their ideas are completely unrepresentative of the general student views on campus. Many of the reps run so they can put it on their resumes. You’re right in saying more people should be active with the government, but considering how much time is spent on classes and extracurriculars here, it’s sometimes a stretch to ask students to do that. I’m not saying it’s the admins fault for it, but most people don’t have extra time to throw into SGA after they have classes, homework, sports, some run their own businesses, etc. It’s simply more evidence that more outlets for feedback should be created to solve the issue.

  5. Lady Mota on January 29th, 2007

    Roger Babson…can I dare speculate that you are part of the faculty and staff? If so, bravo for speaking out to us, and if not, well…you sure are hell sound like one!

    All I have to say about “rich business” is that we really have little to talk about when it comes to class compared Babson in the 80’s, a time of decadence and greed; this was the BALLER day of Babson. Also, remember how Babson has changed from 1919.

    There is a small movement of socially responsibility, however, a lot of us are obsessed with the bottom line and so are our professors. It’s just not their fault. And yes, we should take responsibility; however, we participate in an environment where we are all obsessed with gaining capital.

    Yes, I too want to change the world but do I have the means to do it right now? Not so much, that’s why I came here in the first place and well, now I’m a Senior being confronted with the big question: Do I truly have what it takes to be an entrepreneur???

    Babson is a highly competitive school inside and outside of the classroom. It’s the Apprentice without the cameras. Have you seen the new commercials? A love story buds in L.A…Everyone laughs but it reminds me of the same way that we gawk at a Babson relationship. It’s pretty impossible and includes moments where the couple is walking hand in hand and both talking on their own cell phones.

    If you can’t handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. While I help to expose the cracks in the system, I still love the fact that Babson is just as gritty as the real world.

    Classism is one of the biggest issues ANYWHERE. While I think we can all work to make Babson a better place, I hope that while we attack these issues we just don’t think inside our bubble, but that we extend our thoughts to the external world that is facing the same issues that we are struggling with at Babson.

    God, my comments are making me feel old. But seriously, as a Senior in their last semester, not only do I want more underclassmen speaking up but I’m taking the time to teach the youngins. There’s an entire world out there and Babson students will have a huge influence.

  6. Lady Mota on January 29th, 2007

    All I have to say about “rich business” is that we really have little to talk about when it comes to class compared Babson in the 80’s, a time of decadence and greed; that was the BALLER day of Babson.

    There is a small movement of social responsibility, however, a lot of us are obsessed with the bottom line and so are our professors. It’s just not their fault. And yes, we should take responsibility; however, we participate in an environment where we are all obsessed with gaining capital.

    Yes, I too want to change the world but do I have the means to do it right now? Not so much, that’s why I came here in the first place and well, now I’m a Senior being confronted with the big question: Do I truly have what it takes to do what I came for?

    Babson is a highly competitive school inside and outside of the classroom. It’s the Apprentice without the cameras. Have you seen the new commercials? A love story buds in L.A…Everyone laughs but it reminds me of the same way that we gawk at a Babson relationship. It’s pretty impossible and includes moments where the couple is walking hand in hand and both talking on their respective cell phones.

    If you can’t handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. While I help to expose the cracks in the system, I still love the fact that Babson is just as gritty as the real world.

    Classism is one of the biggest issues ANYWHERE. While I think we can all work to make Babson a better place, I hope that while we attack these issues we just don’t think inside our bubble, but that we extend our thoughts to the external world that is facing the same issues that we are struggling with at Babson.

  7. A Community Member on January 30th, 2007

    Thank you all for the comments. As I read the replies to my initial post, I sincerely hope you each decide to productively pursue avenues for positive change. Given the efforts and thoughts I’ve read here, I remain quite confident that such energies focused on positive change will not only enhance your own experiences, but the experiences for those students yet to arrive at Babson.

    I certainly understand time commitments (both academic & personal) as well, but creating a forum to discuss ideas and build view points that positively and/or constructively shape the campus community may be as simple as reserving some space (if not your own room), brainstorming ideas/thoughts and the benefits and/or issues they may/may not cause, documenting such items and then discussing your outcomes with a member of the staff (either faculty or administration) to begin the process (my guess is that such conversations occur quite often, but with no particular focus and/or no documentation). Utilize the Free Press, student representatives in clubs & organizations and yes, SGA as well. I honestly feel if such actions were seriously taken by all students, you would not only see a shift in attitude, but a campus community more invovled to enhance each others’ experiences on a daily basis.

    I look forward to reading more comments and ideas to come and hopefully, realizing the potenital benefits of implementing such change as well. You each have powerful viewpoints, words and thoughts – use them creativity and productively for the betterment of all.

  8. fire barefoot on January 30th, 2007

    “It’s common knowledge that the college has a lower than desired endowment, but wouldn’t you rather be known as the site and students that began to change that paradigm rather than the site that simply pontificated throughout the year?” – (a community member)

    succinctly put, no. i don’t intend to support this institution until it becomes worthy of my support. consider this pontification, these callous, dogmatic remarks my annual donation until then.

    “On-line communication is a useful tool for promoting thoughts and marketing events, but absolutely nothing else produces results as effective as simply sitting down and talking about such concerns face to face. I truly hope you take advantage of all the Babson community has to offer and physically voice such concerns, become involved and leave your legacy on this campus for future students to enjoy and continue to improve upon throughout the tenure of the College.” – (a community member)

    “Utilize the Free Press, student representatives in clubs & organizations and yes, SGA as well. I honestly feel if such actions were seriously taken by all students, you would not only see a shift in attitude, but a campus community more invovled to enhance each others’ experiences on a daily basis.” – (a community member)

    it is unlikely that i will ever sit down. here’s a brief list of what i want: fire ocl, build a better bus system, make the dorms worthy of their boarding cost, sue sodexho, etc etc – this site pretty much sums up what i have to say. i would rather do it through this channel than any other because, quite frankly, i’m bitter. now you can say that my bitterness is my own fault, that can be quite true. but i believe that someone else is at least partly to blame for this ill feeling.

    i have no more desire to go to sga. either way, sga can’t fire ocl or sue sodexho. just because babson throws money at sga doesn’t mean that the administration can escape responsibility for the results. with all due respect to the sga, and there are people working very hard in there, they are still just students (or unpaid administrators, depending on your perspective.) this is bigger than an sga issue because if it could have been done by students it would have been done years ago. this site is among last efforts to actually save babson (or warn others, depending on your inclination.) something isn’t right with this system and it needs to be fixed.

    so thank you for your comments, but i wonder what community you really are from.

    sincere regards,
    fire barefoot

  9. Ace on March 19th, 2009

    Hi,
    I’m a prospective student (I have been accepted into Babson for this upcoming fall) and I was really considering it, until I read some of this article and a few other blogs. These blogs have infused into my head the idea that Babson has zero social interaction, no good food, very little accessibility and an extreme workload that makes college a chore more than an extremely enlightening experience. I have been desperately looking for sources that tell me otherwise, but I have had considerable trouble finding even a single one. Could someone who attends the university give me an idea if these rumors are in fact true?

  10. Chad on February 27th, 2011

    I am looking at Babson and got accepted. I’ve come to the realization that this place is for rich, socially inept retards. It seems to me like this place is a hell-hole, not to forget that it is 56,000 a years, especially coming from a middle-class family with other siblings that have to go to college. Also, the party scene seems to be HORRIBLE. I havent really partied much in high school but I can tell that it wont be much different. Bentley University is where i will be attending in the fall. FUCK Babo and their arrogance.

  11. mom on February 11th, 2012

    Babson must be trying to get lower family income students now-they offered my d $28,000 need aid.

  12. Crapmaster on February 26th, 2012

    @mom

    Babson can be pretty good about need-based financial aid.

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