In fact, if you’re planning on going to grad school and/or getting your CPA or CFA, those achievements all make your Babson degree obsolete. So you can’t make an already worthless degree any more worthless.

What I’m trying to say is that for some reason you believe that donating and making Babson the best school in the world will benefit you, or that not donating and making Babson completely fall apart will hurt you. Neither is true, despite what Babson might have you believe. I would also like to insert the fact that outside the northeast, nobody has even heard of Babson. So I don’t think a degree from a place no one has heard of could be considered worthwhile, it’s all about how you present yourself. Just ask the many Babson students that smoke Harvard grads in the i-banking interviews. Based on degree alone, Harvard should win hands-down. But it’s the people that make their futures happen. So don’t blame the (lack of) quality in Babson’s degree when you can’t get a job, blame yourself. Likewise, if you do get a quality job, don’t think it’s because Barefoot took a dump on a piece of paper and gave it to you, it’s because you earned it. Which is my point exactly. Your degree is a piece of paper, it means dick. What you learned (or didn’t) is what will help you in the real world because with maybe an exception for your first real job out of school, it’s YOUR reputation that companies will look for, not the reputation of where you went to school back in the day.

when crapmaster spits, when it’s not hot fire, it’s the straight truth. both coincidentally hurt like hell. and is it ridiculous? hell yes.

but it’s a testament to how poorly babson has done. don’t tell me our site doesn’t get read. you read it. i’ve been writing here for a while. largely because of this site i know now that i am not the only one that has been quite disappointed by babson’s performance. in an odd, roundabout way, responses just like crapmaster’s, is really the only reason i would ever consider donating to babson. this site exists, the administration reads it and listens to it, that’s a fine quality of babson and one that i commend the administration on. i would donate money to fund a permanent crapcampus pr responder.

are we wasting our degree? perhaps. some might say we are gambling with it, some might say there was nothing to waste to begin with. in my mind, we have two options… 1: say nothing, pray shit gets better. or option 2: demand improvement. if we can make babson a better school, then fuck, i’ll grab my balls and say it. i want a more reputable school that i can brag about, not have to explain where it’s located. and anyway, i just happen to think that this site has improved babson. but that’s just my opinion.

and if this whole place goes up in flames, then so be it. i have a feeling that crapmaster and the other writers here would be well prepared to succeed in a job market regardless. i mean, blame the students because the school belly flopped the 90s? how silly. we’re paying customers, after all. (and don’t forget who implemented that sort of culture.) the fact that babson failed to convince these students to donate is not the student’s fault, it’s babson’s fault. i mean, they admitted them in the first place, right? they were willing to take their money for tuition, right? do you blame the consumer or respond to the customer’s needs?

sometimes, your position seems ridiculous to me. but i don’t blame you. because you probably graduated thousands of years ago and have no idea about the current, up to date babson. behind all that glittery pr. i mean, did you miss the chappelle reference or not?

i really am thankful that you posted your opinion, but i just want you to take a second and look at what these people are saying before you are so quick to dismiss their stance. maybe they know something you don’t.

If Babson heads down the road to nowhere (i.e. it just falls apart) my donation does no good, neither to Babson or myself. So like I said, why piss my money away when I could do something with it?

Let’s say I put $1000 in the stock market. With some research and luck, I could end up with $2000 next year. If I gave that money to Babson, what would I end up with? $0. Babson would end up wasting the money on something stupid or just plain lose it (which isn’t too far-fetched after SGA lost $85,000 a couple years ago.)

And my degree would go to waste either way.

If Babson improves, that’s great for the future students. But I sure as hell didn’t come to the #1 entrepreneurial school in the country with the ultimate goal of getting “a better job.”

But let’s say you actually give $5 over to Babson and say it can only be used for a new campus-wide blog system (like in your example). Well, while that’s nice, if Babson never creates a campus-wide blog system, then your money just sits there doing absolutely nothing. Since they are a non-profit, they are legally not able to take money that is restricted for such a project and move it elsewhere. So really your example is a prime reason why NOT to donate money.

I should say, though, if you’re going to donate a million dollars or something, then you can get around this. If you want to provide full funding for a specific project, the school is likely to do it and use your money, so why not knock yourself out, especially if it will help improve the school? I’m all for that. But I caution that, as well, because take a look at the flag fountain. Everyone wonders how that came to be. Well, Barefoot himself donated every penny specifically for that project because he wanted to do it, and now our campus is stuck with a disgusting, annoying piece of crap in the middle of it.

Anyway, my point is your donation options are much like the rest of Babson…they make it look nice on the outside, but when you understand what’s really going on it’s a huge mess.

I’d rather see the school shut down than give money to a hopeless cause.

I’ll admit, I’ve made my pledge, but it won’t be fulfilled till I submit a nice checklist that must be fulfilled by Babson first. And when I pick exactly where the money goes, I think I’ll choose something specific. Perhaps it can go towards “paying the IT guys to make the crapcampus blog feed a standard part of the Babson portal.”

i agree completely with your post.

babson, barefoot himself, admonishes those that don’t donate. ‘with your donations we could make a better school!’ they tell us. well, fuck that – i’ve heard that too many times. the president isn’t the president i thought a school like this deserves (wait – nm, they’re trying to fix that), my overall impression is that the administration has done a poor job.

so why should babson get my money? money earned doing a trait that babson didn’t come close to teaching me. so yeah, so sorry babson administration, i know you work hard, i know i’m an asshole for doing this, but i don’t plan on writing you any checks any time soon. i mean, how ironic is it that a school that teaches business has been so poor at serving it’s students?

craptain hook mentions we should ask the tough questions… well… does anyone know what would this senior fund be spent on? that’s something i’d like to see answered. and maybe if someone told me, i’d donate.

i’m not saying i’d never donate to babson. they just have to make a better case for it. i know that annual donations are a significant portion of fund raising. they help the school survive between the large gifts that come every once in a blue moon. without annual donations, it gets extremely hard to run a school. and though i am not pleased with babson (haha), i don’t want to see it go under completely.

but i’m with this philosophy of tough love: just say no to d-onations and babson will be forced to get better.

or not, whatever. i guess we could just continue to be the school that caters to rich kids and pretends there’s no problem forever and ever. but i’m just pontificating, right, a community member?